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SPACE Digest                                     Volume 10 : Issue 229

Today's Topics:
              VEEGA stands for?
             Re: If There Were No Shuttle
               Re: A "spacey" ambition?
               Looking for B. Clendenin
         Re: Design for L.C. and Space Hotel
               Reminders for Old Farts
    11/9 ABC News on Closed Cycle Life Support Experiment
            Re: VEEGA stands for?
            SPACE Digest V10 #225
            KSC Payload Status (Forwarded)
                 SPACE Digest
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 89 10:29:17 CST
From: [e-mail] (When in fear, or in doubt, run around, scream and shout)
Subject: VEEGA stands for?

Would someone knowledgeable please fill in the blanks (number of blanks <>
number of letters)

Venus Earth Earth G______ A_____

Thank you again.

Dillon Pyron                         | The opinions are mine, the facts
TI/DSEG VAX Systems Support          | probably belong to the company.
[e-mail]                  |
[phone]                        | Professional assasination
                                     | The highest form of public service

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Date: 8 Nov 89 23:28:02 GMT
From: helios.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!uplherc!esunix!bambam![e-mail]  (Bob Pendleton)
Subject: Re: If There Were No Shuttle

This question caused a rather strong burst of deja vu. It took me a
minute to remember the hours my friends and I spent back in the middle
sixties wondering about what would have happened if Sputnik hadn't
come along and derailed the U.S. space program.

What if Von Braun had been allowed to use a real third stage in his
suborbital Jupiter-C tests? And there by launched the first artifical
statelite. What if the rocket plane programs hadn't been gutted? What
if. What if ...

Well it didn't happen that way. Wouldn't it be better to spend time
asking "what can I do now?" The past is past. Let it go. Then do
something!

If you want a list of things you can do right now I'll happily send
you one.

            Bob P.
--
              Bob Pendleton, speaking only for myself.
UUCP Address:  decwrl!esunix!bpendlet or utah-cs!esunix!bpendlet

                      X: Tools, not rules.

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Date: 9 Nov 89 23:40:23 GMT
From: unmvax!ariel!hydra.unm.edu![e-mail]  (Kenneth Ingham)
Subject: Re: A "spacey" ambition?

Many people have talked about going to work for NASA.  I mailed this
advice to ome person, but there was more discussion so I figured I'd
post it.

Here's one way, the way I did it for a while (I doubt that this would
work to become an anstronaut):  Be a co-op student.

I spent two semesters working at NASA Ames Research Center.  This could
have turned into a real job upon graduation (why it didn't is my fault).

As a coop student, you are still listed as a full time student at your
school, but taking 0 hours.  You work full time for the employer,
earning a modest (I was a GS-5) salary.

There was no civil service exam (is there anyway for NASA?).  I applied
at several NASA centers, but the offer from Ames looked the most
interesting.

I heartily recommend this to all students.  I'm glad I did it.  I'll be
glad to answer further questions to the best of my knowledge, although
your school's coop coordinator would be a better contact for everything
except what it was like to work at Ames in 1981 and 1982.


Kenneth Ingham          Computer and Information Resources and Technology
[e-mail]    University of New Mexico
505-277-8045        Albuquerque, NM 87131

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Date: 9 Nov 89 04:41:01 GMT
From: psuvm![e-mail]  (Amy Antonucci)
Subject: Looking for B. Clendenin

I'm trying to make contact with Brian Clendenin.  He attends CalTech
and resides in Lloyd Hall (I think).  He might be a physics major.
Don't give him my name- he'll look at you funny.  Tell him Patty
Althouse says hi. Patty would like his normal mail address and his
e-mail address if he has one.
Thanks.
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"You know, MacGyver, that's why you're so hard to beat.
Nobody knows what you're doing next, including YOU"- Murdoc

Amy Antonucci [e-mail]

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Date: 9 Nov 89 09:29:52 GMT
From: voder!dtg.nsc.com![e-mail]  (Lord Snooty @ The Giant Poisoned Electric Head )
Subject: Re: Design for L.C. and Space Hotel

<[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Todd Wilson) writes:
> As you get older, you would move to
> environments with lower gravities, until finally living in a 0g
> environment near death (and even after death, for those buried in
> space :-).
> Any comments?

yes - there is a strong philosophical line here which tempts the
metaphysical muser to wish to equate, by extrapolation, death with
negative gravity. aha. so *that's* what death is!
--
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Andrew Palfreyman    a wet bird never flies at night        time sucks
[e-mail]    there are always two sides to a broken window

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 89 04:00:23 PST
From: Eugene Miya <[e-mail]>
Subject: Reminders for Old Farts

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Date: 9 Nov 89 15:37:43 GMT
From: att!cbnewsj![e-mail]  (timothy.e.ebersole)
Subject: 11/9 ABC News on Closed Cycle Life Support Experiment

Tonight's (Thursday 11/9) broadcast of "World News Tonight with
Peter Jennings" on ABC at 6pm or 6:30pm (ET), maybe also the later
news broadcasts at 11pm or so (the ad didn't mention times), will
have a segment on what they are billing as "Noah's Ark?" From the
few seconds of description and the scenes flashed through, this
appears to be a report on the closed-ecology experiment being
run (or still in planning?) in Arizona. Short notice, but I
thought enough of you might be interested to post this anyway.

Tim Ebersole  ...!att!mtdcc!tee

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Date: 9 Nov 89 17:24:28 GMT
From: voder!dtg.nsc.com![e-mail]  (alan hepburn)
Subject: Re: VEEGA stands for?

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (When in fear, or in doubt, run around, scream and shout) writes:
>
>Venus Earth Earth G______ A_____
>

Venus-Earth-Earth-Gravity-Assist

You're wlecome

Alan Hepburn
mail: [e-mail]

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Date:        Thu, 09 Nov 89 14:26:55 CST
From: Andy Edeburn <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Subject: SPACE Digest V10 #225

> hand-springs.  Just imagine - constant stuffed siniuses.  Gravity does a lot
> to keep our respiratory systems clear - would 1/6 gravity be enough?
>
> I could almost swear that somebody has written about this.  Heinlein in _The
> Moon is a Harsh Mistress_ maybe?  (I automatically think of Heinlein as
> the first to write about anything ... so this probably isn't right.)

  This is right. Heilein wrote _Moon is a Harsh Mistress_. Good book
for everyone on this list to read.

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Date: 9 Nov 89 21:42:20 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!usc!henry.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jato!mars.jpl.nasa.gov![e-mail]  (Ron Baalke)
Subject: KSC Payload Status (Forwarded)


Daily Status/KSC Payload Management and Operations 11-09-89


- STS-31R HST (at VPF) -

The HST functional test is active at the VPF and will continue
thru the week.  There have been no significant problems.
Personnel are supporting the continuous VPF environmental and ECS
unit monitoring.

- STS-32R Syncom (at VPF) -

MUE installation and cite validation/verification for Syncom
receiving is active at the VPF.  Mechanical preps as well as land
line validations have been completed and the facility is ready to
receive the Syncom spacecraft, scheduled to arrive at the VPF
next Monday at 0500 hours.


- STS-35 Astro-1/BBXRT (at O&C) -

Astro power up was completed yesterday morning and the HDRR
functional test was successfully completed.  IPS power on retest
then picked up and is planned to continue thru Friday/Saturday.
Power up for the IPS retest is planned every Morning thru Friday/
Saturday, and by 1700/1730 hours will terminate until the next
morning.  The decision was made not to change out the HDRR-TU.

- STS-40 SLS-1 (at O&C) -

Water servicing GSE prep and validation is active as is pyrell
foam replacement preps.  Rack 3 and rack 9 structural mod
activities continue.  Rack 3 back panel was removed and the eddy
current check completed with no anomalies.


 Ron Baalke                       |    [e-mail]
 Jet Propulsion Lab  M/S 301-355  |    [e-mail]
 4800 Oak Grove Dr.               |
 Pasadena, CA 91109               |

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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 89 17:37:45
From: Michel van Roozendaal ECD <[e-mail]>
Subject: SPACE Digest

In SPACE Digest #208: From: milton!maven![e-mail]. edu
(Games Wizard) Subject: Space Hotel or Danald Trump has missed the boat.

In addition to the whole discussion going on on this net, I like to recommend
the following article:

STAGES IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF LOW EARTH ORBIT TOURISM

BY: PATRICK Q. COLLINS

(The management school, Imperial College of Science, Technology & Medicine, 53
Prince's Gate, Exhibition Road London SW7 2PG, England)

Space Technol. vol 9 no 3, pp 315-323, 1989

What is in the article: Recently, the possibility that space Tourism will
become a major source of commercial revenues for the space industry, has begun
to be widely accepted. Market research suggest that, if the price for a short
passenger trip would fell towards $10,000, the number of passengers might
grow as high as one million per year. Such a level of activity would be very
significant for the development of space industry.

The article makes a difference between sub-orbital space flight (sounding
rockets etc.), orbital space flight, and trips where the tourist will actually
visit orbital facilities. Each of these is described in terms of orbits,
customer offering and technology required.

One of the chapters describes the Space Hotel. (See below) The last one
describes large scale orbital tourism/space settlements.

This type of tourism is classified as "adventure tourism", and compared with
visits to Antarctica (3/4 weeks for $10,000 to $20,000). The safety required
could lay in the same order as for flying military jet aircraft. (100 times
less than that of scheduled airliners, similar with early post WW-II civil
aviation.)

Following table was used (source 1985):

Estimate of demand for LEO tourism:

price/1985$   customers/year

1,000,000     50
  500,000     100
  100,000     500-1000
   50,000     5000
   25,000     30,000-40,000


Possible tourist activities in space could be:

- Earth observation
- Astronomical Observations
- Low gravity sport/swimming
- Observation of low gravity phenomena
- EVA
- Gardens (i.e. exotic and giant plants)
- Exotic worlds (3-D theme parks)

One of the latter stages of development could bring Space Hotels. One of the
aspects discussed is the need for partial gravity. This could be realised by
the use of Space Tethers. It is foreseen to be something of a mixture of a
Hotel, a cruise liner and a theme park.

Conclusion is that there is a hugh potential (American Express found that 50%
of the population "would like a holiday in space" if it was available; 1986.)
However, considerable research has to be done, both technical and marketing.
But there will be large commercial rewards for companies that succeed in
exploiting the demand.

So far some extracts from this article. I should say, if you are interested,
read the article yourself! At the end there are 26 references.

For me the article was an eye-opener. Thinking about it, I see many
possibilities for space tourism. Indeed, tourism is already the (depending
which figures you use) biggest industry on Earth. The transport of people
made the airliners grow big. On the other hand, there are many potential
problems; like radiation (polar orbits are nice to observe the Earth),
space debris (we are talking about heavy launch rates, causing loads
of debris if we don't watch out) and safety in general. Just on the
point when people are debating whether to send astronauts or robots
into space, this plan proposes to launch 1000's of tourists in orbit.
In other words, it's not yet clear whether space tourism will really
work out.

However, I think that for those who want to see large scale
space operations within their lifetime, space tourism is a good candidate
to realise their hopes. To me this seems to need an initial government impulse
because the investments are too high for private companies. (Everybody always
seems to use the 1925 Kelly Act as an example.) A good opportunity
for transatlantic cooperation? (Here I sit somewhere on the old
continent.)

Anybody with more info on this subject?

I should like to make contact with people interested in these type of
economical and business aspects of space exploration. Next year I will
do an MBA (at INSEAD-Fontainebleau), whereafter I should like to continue
working in the space business. People with simular ideas/interests?

(Contact me before the end of the year; my adress will change end December)
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